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BOYZ II MEN

Boyz II Men are one of my favourite bands from my youth. Emerging from the Phillie R&B scene in the early 90’s, this band has had a career run over the past twenty years. God, I’m old. Speaking of… there certainly aren’t any “Boyz” left in Boyz II Men. And only three men at that as Michael “Bass” McCary previously left the band due to health problems.

The current trio known as Boyz II Men features Nathan Morris, Wanya Morris and Shawn Stockman who were all more than happy to chat with me about their career highlights, in spite of the hunger they must’ve felt as I took over their lunch hour with my inquisitive mind and, according to them, thick Canadian drawl.

Did you have any other name ideas before settling on Boyz II Men?

Shawn: No… We’d rather not talk about those names because they were really bad and cheesy!

One? Give me one?

Shawn: Well, the name that we were before Boyz II Men, if they allow me to say, was Unique Attraction.

Yeah, Boyz II Men is better!

Shawn: Yeah, we think so, so we went there. And we kind of ditched the Unique Attraction thing. And I think it has a little bit more staying power, we believe, than Unique Attraction.

Wanya: Yeah, Kinda….

Shawn: We were on the fence, but we took a vote…

How do you go about arranging your harmonies? They are very intricate and wonderful!

Nate: It all depends on the given day to be honest. The good thing is that we all tend to have the same type of ear when it comes to knowing what we like to hear and that’s kind of what we call the “Boyz II Men sound”, and there aren’t many other people that can recreate it. But for the most part, it’s just really a matter of what you feel that day for the song that’s given. Sometimes the harmonies are stacked really really tight, sometimes they’re really spaced apart but they may sound thick. You may hear a 4 part that may sound like a 7 or you may hear a 7 that sounds like a 4. It pretty much all depends on the time of day or the feeling of the song, so there’s really no set agenda of how you would stack the harmonies and where you would put them. But we all know how we like them to go, and usually whenever we do them, we’re all in agreement because we just do the same thing.

You also take turns singing lead vocals as well. Is it the same thing where you just feel the song out?

Shawn: Yeah.

Nate: Yeah. We hear a song and we know. Take a Babyface song for instance; when we hear him play the track we know right away who’s doing what part, what guy is going where. While one guy is in singing his background part, the other guy’s thinking of what his next part is going to be and it’s kind of like a machine that goes and goes and goes.

You guys started off as a quartet, but now there is three of you. How does the dynamic of the group differ from one version of the band to the other?

Shawn: The dynamic of the group is still pretty much intact. I think that obviously, vocally we’re missing a note, but the good thing about it, if you had to miss a note, the note that we’re missing is the one that you’d want to have missing because it’s the bass. We’re still a complete three-part harmony group, like we still can sing, and when it comes to arranging things Nathan does a lot of the bass parts, which is something that he always did anyway. So it really wasn’t anything that was completely and totally missing, but just the fact that our member who was a friend of ours and a brother is no longer with us. But semantics, we’re still very much a vocal group and we can still construct harmonies and still sing harmonies live and things of that nature. So there’s not too much missing, just a member, but the music is still there.

Can you talk about your big break? Is it true you went backstage at a Bel Biv Devoe concert?

Wanya: Back in school we used to dream about this everyday.

Nate: Could it really happen?

It’s true though? Is it actually how it happened?

Wanya: It wasn’t actually a Bel Biv Devoe concert. They were actually announcing the group, Bel Biv Devoe was getting ready to start. They were breaking off from New Edition and they were starting Bel Biv Devoe, and when he came offstage from announcing it, we were backstage. We had all snuck backstage and we actually asked Michael Bivins could we sing for him, he said, yeah, we sung for him and the rest is history. And then there’s Motownphilly!

End of the Road wasn’t actually on the original release of your album Cooleyhighharmony. How did you guys end up going back and recording that track after the album’s original release?

Nate: It was recorded for a soundtrack, a movie called Boomerang, which starred Eddie Murphy and Halle Berry. What happened was what typically happens in a record company situation where we released a record that was doing pretty well and we released a single afterwards that really took off from the notoriety of the group. So the record label felt that it made sense to put it on that album because it would help album sales, and the album went from probably selling four and a half to five million to double that to about twelve million total.

You guys do a lot of cover songs as well as your own music. How do you go about deciding which cover songs you want to sing?

Shawn: We jot down a list individually of songs that we like and that we enjoy, and we bring them all together and we kinda see what coincides or what we might not have thought’ve on somebody else’s list. Our tastes are pretty similar so we pretty much go in the direction of what can we do to add a Boyz II Men element to the record. Not change it, because when you do covers, we’re very keen on doing covers the right way. In the sense of not going too far, but definitely not doing anything to it. We still try to add our element and our flavour to a cover, but it’s just all a matter of what we like, the type of album we try to create first off, and then the concept and then picking those songs accordingly. Doing what we love and then just adding our little flavours to it. That’s pretty much it. We don’t do too much. We make sure we don’t piss nobody off by changing a classic into a techno record, you know what I’m saying. We keep it cool. So far, so good. I don’t think anybody has been disappointed with our covers, at least not publicly! (laughs)

If there was only one word to summarize “Boyz II Men”, what would that one word be?

Wanya: Music!

Shawn: That’s who we are. We’re music. This is what brought us together, this is what defines us, it’s what defines our legacy, and what will always keep us together.

Wanya: Two words: Music and Love!

Nate: She asked for ONE word.

Shawn: She asked for one of them. You just changed her whole question! You gotta excuse him. He does that sometimes.

These guys are the most successful R&B group of all time, selling more than 60 million albums worldwide! The fact that they were so easygoing and nice made my job easy. The fact that they are clearly still in it for the music and friendship more than anything else is inspiring.

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When I first introduced myself to the Boyz/Men, Shawn jumped on the fact that I don’t have an English accent and we are in ENGLAND! Deducing that I was some odd Canadian English hybrid and coming up with fancy words for me including CanEnglish, I was a bit taken aback by Shawn’s imminent cheeky vulgarity. You can listen to the audio clip below to hear what happened. Don’t worry… it won’t ruin your image of Boyz II Men - if anything, it will enhance it!

But the Canuck jokes didn’t stop there…. Read on…

Shawn: I did hear some Canadian stuff when you said aboot!

Did I?

Shawn: Yes. You said aboot. You said aboot!

No! I don’t want to be a cliché!!!

Wanya & Nate: What did she say?

Shawn: She said Aboot!

Nate: She said Aboot!

Shawn: She said, “Yeah, what Aboot” and I was like “Woaah, hey”!

PR Rep: Just say you’ve been to Scotland recently and that’s why…

Shawn: Is that how they say it in Scotland, is it? Aboot?

Yeah, that’s where it comes from because a lot of them immigrated to Newfoundland and that’s where that thick accent is.

Shawn: Ah HA!!

Now you’ve learned something today.

Wanya: So it’s NOT Canadian!

Shawn: So we learn most of that stuff about Canadians from South Park!


My other interview with Boyz II Men will soon be available on the iPad & iPhone User Magazine web site and print version for your reading pleasure. There you can learn where the name Boyz II Men really comes from, their thoughts on the evolution of the music industry over their 20 year career, and what advice they have to new music groups who are just starting out!


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Jim Noir

The Mancunian musician has completely lived up to his elusive reputation. When I arrived at Corsica Studios where I was scheduled to interview Jim Noir, I was greeted first with confusion, then disappointment. He thought I was supposed to interview him at a show two days prior and was gleeful in the thought that he got away with evading me! SURPRISE! Totally against his will, Jim Noir sat down to speak with me about his music, retro synths, his boredom and what have you.

Much like my previous interview with CHROMEO, I’m multi-tasking and only posting half of my content here, using the other half for an article with iPad & iPhone User Magazine. Feel free to read my other interviews with Chromeo and Jim Noir on that web site. But please, do read the one here too as this is where I’m totally unedited and free to write what I like! Sweet.

So yes… Jim Noir. For such a talented musician and lovely person, the guy had very little confidence. Very shy and humble. Hesitant to talk about himself, but very chatty and friendly otherwise. It was like getting blood from a stone to get him to pose for a picture! But he’s a good sport and nice guy… so I got a couple of crappy ones with my iPhone in the end.


For this photo, Jim has travelled back in time in a vain attempt to stop me from taking it. Note his plan is failing as you are viewing this photo, and he is nearly ceasing to exist, starting with his right hand.

Why do I suddenly have the urge to listen to Johnny B. Goode?



Anyway, after me prying about his musical influences, especially from his hometown of Manchester, Jim Noir admitted to me that he is actually more of a synth nerd than guitar fan.

LLHG: So do you have a load of synths?

JN: I’m starting a collection, yeah yeah.

LLHG: Which ones do you have?

JN: Just bought a Prophet 5. An old Prophet 5. So that’s *me new baby. Nobody’s allowed to touch it except me. It’s mostly just covered with a cover so rarely get it out. NO, I do, I love it. Pretty much my entire next album is covered in Prophet 5...

*I’m transcribing Mancunian dialect.

LLHG: So what is your next album going to sound like?

JN: I don’t know yet. I’ve not really figured out what I’m going to use yet, but there’s a lot of stuff that I’ve written that could be a direction. Just amazing. Yeah. That’s all I need. All I wanna do is write the best album ever made, which I definitely will.

LLHG: Ok, I’m going to hold you to that!

JN: That’s going to be a quote now, isn’t it!

LLHG: Do you record these tracks in a studio?

JN: I use studio equipment, but I still work in my flat. I’ve not got any sound-proofing or acoustic stuff anywhere, it’s just a bog standard room with two speakers and a load of old shite in it.

LLHG: And that's the final album as well? You don't take it to a studio to record the final product?

JN: No, it’s all as is. I mean, it gets mastered I suppose, but not much. Yeah I like to keep it as rough and raw as possible. But I think for the next one I will record it in a pro place.

LLHG: Why’s that?

JN: Well, because I’ve been doing this for you know, what, twelve, maybe ten years with the same approach to it. So I’m just a bit bored of that now and really it'd be nice to have all the equipment set up and wander around it as I want. Someone else is recording it so I can just go, “right, quick I want to play that” or whatever, where at home I have to untangle loads of wires and it’s just a complete mess. And obviously I get a bit bored so the tellie is too easy to go and watch rather than write!

Out of nowhere, Jim shows off his Karate Kid skills and kills a fly!

LLHG: Very Mr. Miyagi of you!

JN: He was trying to get in on my interview!

For someone who feigns paling in the spotlight, the man doesn’t want to share the attention! At this point, I knew he was hiding something.

LLHG: Is Jim Noir your real name?

JN: No. No.

LLHG: What is your real name?

JN: I’m not telling you.

LLHG: Oh come on! I’ll just Google it if you don’t.

JN: Ok… It’s Alan Roberts.

LLHG: Why did you change it to Jim Noir?

JN: Well, because Alan Roberts isn’t a very rock n roll name.

LLHG: But you don’t want to be a rock star!

JN: No, but I don’t want to be Alan Roberts either.

Apparently the nom de plume of Jim Noir is an homage to British comedian Vic Reeves whose real name is Jim Moir.

LLHG: No regrets though?

JN: Well the only regret I’ve ever thought about is that I chose only a singular person. That means I have to do all the work. Should’ve called it the somebodies or whatever.

It’s obvious why the man wishes he had some help. Besides wanting to divert attention from himself, the man keeps busy with creative bursts, releasing something every month of this year for the Noir Club, a page on his web site that fans can sign up to and obtain these treasures on a monthly basis.

LLHG: What’s up next for you?

JN: Well, just next year I’m going to have a little break and then hopefully in the summer I’ll have the Noir Club compiled into an album and then probably hopefully a brand new freshly written one. I’m going to try to do as much as I can just so it looks like I’m really busy because I only do things sporadically.

LLHG: If there was only one word you could use to sum yourself up, what would that word be?

JN: Annoying? Um… yeah…

LLHG: Annoying??

JN: No, um. Questioning! No. I don’t know. Just quiet! Stupid!

LLHG: Just choose one!

JN: Ridiculous!

LLHG: Ridiculous! Ridiculous?

JN: Yeah I think ridiculous maybe!

LLHG: Ok, Ridiculous!

Yup, he’s fairly ridiculous. But, awesome. If you’ve not checked out his tunes yet, do.



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"The Ladies Love The Talkbox"
My phone call with P-Thugg from...
CHROMEO

Yup, I got to talk to one of my favourite bands of modern times, the Montreal-NYC based band Chromeo. Originally hailing from Montreal, Canada, the band split their time between their hometown where P-Thugg (I think I can get away with calling him “Pee” now that we’ve actually spoken?) has his mega synthy studio and New York where Dave is currently doing his Ph.D in French Literature at Columbia University.

The guys met way back in high school and played in many bands together before officially forming Chromeo. The name Chromeo has a very random background.

“Well it’s Chrome and Romeo. It’s the mix of metal and you know, a romantic figure. A bit of a mix of macho and lover.”

Talking to P-Thugg, it is apparent that he is an old skool music and vintage gear lover. He spends most of his free time on tour being a self-proclaimed “nerd” checking out record and vintage gear shops. The man has quite the collection of vintage toys and hardware, and only uses modern equipment to record the final piece in Pro Tools, rather than for the demos or sounds themselves. He was even quick to answer my question about what his favourite synth sound of all time is.

“Probably the MiniMoog Bass from Thriller. It’s just, you know, one of the warmest and deepest sounds that I know. I’m a bass player and I love the synth bass. And I think the perfect example, if I had to put the synth bass in the dictionary and a description, I would put that song.“

In addition to being a nerd, P-Thugg is also a cool guy. The man is a living contradiction! He’s quite confident that he and Dave are funny guys and it shows in their music. They don’t take themselves too seriously and they make their music because they love it, not because they’re trying to be rock stars. While Dave 1 handles the main vocals with P-Thugg providing vocal support on the old Talkbox, Pee reveals that his secret dream was always to be a lead singer!

“The ladies love the Talkbox. They love the sound, they love the tubes. I just fell in love with the Talkbox the first time I heard it on Zapp’s record, which was More Bounce to the Ounce. I just knew right there, you know, that I had to try this. Plus, I’m a really bad singer and my dream has always been to sing. It allows me to sing without hitting bum notes. Gives me a beautiful voice.”

Here’s the point in the interview where P-Thugg’s beard starts dialling out on his iPhone. Probably an attempt to seek help from my prying questions.

Chromeo have collaborated with many artists via duets and remixes. Pee likes to keep the collaborations “in the family” and states that they are not calculated collaborations, but rather organic and develop naturally. This band does not do anything it doesn’t want to. It’s all about being true to themselves.

Chromeo’s influences are rather varied, but most obviously include 70’s and 80’s funk alongside some classic rock and even modern artists. Even with all of their cool collaborations, the one person Pee would love to collaborate with more than anyone living, is the late Roger Troutman from Zapp.

“It’s hard to say, I mean I would love to collaborate with dead people like Roger Troutman. Yeah, I would like to have a Talkbox duo with Roger Troutman.“

Here’s the point in the interview where P-Thugg puts me on hold for a few minutes as the hotel try to get him to check out. I edited it out as what is interesting about 5 minutes of room tone?

As far as their live shows go, Chromeo are fricking fantastic live! They’ll be playing London’s O2 Academy Brixton on November 25th. What can the audience expect from Chromeo’s live show?

“A lot of fun. A lot of dancing. A lot of ladies, that’s why the guys come. A lot of Talkbox.“

And what can Chromeo expect from the British audience in return?

“Drunk English people, that’s my favourite part. I love London.“

One word to sum up Chromeo? This one was way too easy…

“FUNK”

Thank you to P-Thugg for the chat and to Chromeo for their amazing music, videos and image. This band bring the FUN back to Funk. (This cheesy joke is acceptable because Chromeo aren't pretending to be anything they're not, so why should I? Cheesy and proud!)

Listen to the highlights of my interview with P-Thugg:



My other interview with Chromeo is available on iPad & iPhone User Magazine's web site.

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ABANDOMAN

Abandoman is a very unique and talented breakthrough improvised hip hop comedy duo. Man, that was a mouthful. Fronted by quick-witted Irish charmer Rob Broderick on the freestylin’ vocals, and strongly supported by guitar virtuoso James Hancox, the duo are no strangers to the festival circuit and were more than happy to have a chat with me at Apple Cart Festival in Victoria Park, London.

I was going to completely overlook the fact that I actually know Rob outside of Abandoman and approach this interview as completely unbiased. As a disclaimer, I feel it’s more appropriate to lay it all out on the table. I know Rob through a longform improv course we’ve been doing recently with teacher David Shore of Monkey Toast. Rob is clearly a master of improv, as I’ve had the luxury to witness in class. I had no idea about his life outside of class and only happened to come across his act on the Apple Cart Festival bill as the Comedy Tent headliners. Wow, I feel naïve – thank goodness I made this discovery as it was so fantastic to see Abandoman in action!

During the Apple Cart set, Abandoman graced the stage with support from a full band to pad out their usual duo of Rob on vocals and James on guitar. If you’ve not seen Abandoman in action, check out this video so you know how awesome they are:


They are super cool. I am a dork.

They begin their usual set with a show-stealing “warm-up” exercise entitled “What’s In Your Pocket?” where they get the audience members to hold up oddities which they gather from within their pockets and handbags while Rob spontaneously goes around improv rapping about some of the various items. According to Rob, since they’ve gathered a following over the past year or so, some people come to the show with prepared goods to hold up. The weirdest that Rob has ever encountered was from a man who worked in medicine and who'd brought a dead mouse in formaldehyde for Rob to rap about. The most inappropriate item came from a stag do when the groom-to-be’s mates gave Rob his prosthetic leg!


Rob with an audience member

Better oddities than hostility. Abandoman is an act that greatly depends on audience participation as the songs are about YOU, the audience member! Rob sees this participation not only as inspiration for his material, but a chance for the audience to help create and see their ideas come to life! This is merely a part of what keeps their audience coming back for more. Rob’s sharp witticisms through his fluid way with words is impressive to say the least. He must think at least 3 sentences ahead of himself at all times to get out these clever rhymes that are actually in context! I can barely rhyme a one-syllable word, let alone couplet after couplet.

Rob grew up in Dublin, where the hip hop scene was less than prominent. He found his niche in spite of the lack of mainstream availability and took inspiration from some of his rap heroes, but is adamant about the fact that his rap likes are different to his influences.

For an Irish improv hip hop comedy act, Abandoman is quite the startling name. Nothing shocking about it, it’s just a bit offbeat. In fact, so offbeat, people often mistake it for “Abandoned Men” or “Abandonment” as someone wrote on the Apple Cart comedy tent listing. Rob and James had entered the Hackney Empire New Act of the Year 2010 competition (which they went on to win) and needed a name. They came up with some even odder rejects which included “The Jazz Pandas” for one, before settling for “Abandoman” which comes from “A Band Of Man” – of one man band beginnings.

Well, as odd and complicated as the name may be, it’s still better than the former (JAZZ PANDAS??? Really???), and soon everyone across the nation will know it, and be able to spell it without that extra “N”.

One Word to sum up Abandoman? “Fluidity”. Considering that just rolled off Rob’s tongue, who am I to argue?

To hear the story of Abandoman from the man himself, ladies and gentlemen, press play:

 

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Nona Hendryx

Legendary musican Nona Hendryx is not an obvious household name, but most people are definitely aware of her body of work. Forging her early career as a member of Labelle (as in Patti’s girl group who sang the original LADY MARMALADE), Nona has had some iconic collaborations with artists such as Talking Heads, Stevie Wonder, Elton John and more. In addition to being a prominent singer and songwriter, Nona is also known for her social activism, speaking very openly about her stance on Human Rights.

Nona visited London in June to play 3 very special events. Loose Lips, Hot Gossip was fortunate enough to have a chat over the phone with the one and only Nona. To be honest, I was very nervous to speak to someone with such an admirable musical career. I expected a total diva as Nona has every right to be one. What I got instead was one of the nicest women I have ever had the pleasure of speaking to. I was going to write up an article about this interview, but nobody says it as good as Nona herself. I hope you enjoy listening to the interview as much as I did conducting it:




Omg I can’t believe my voice sounds like that… Did I take valium? How many times did I say “I was wondering…” But doesn’t Nona sound like such a sweetheart!? And a very interested and interesting woman on the whole.

Even though she’s had a career spanning decades, worked with the greats, is a great herself, she still struggled with our usual question of “if there is only one word that could sum you up… what would that word be?”.

Ladies and gentleman, Nona Hendryx, one talented, funky but chic, and “alive” lady.

www.nonahendryx.com

 

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MEN

As we mentioned in our review of the MEN gig as part of the Shockwaves NME Awards shows, you may recognize MEN lead JD Samson from the band Le Tigre. Often noted for their political, feminist & LGBT themes which were prevalent in their awesome tunes, JD Samson has taken what she learned from Le Tigre and evolved it as the part of the Brooklyn-based band and art collective MEN. Along with JD, I got the pleasure to speak to MEN’s only literal man, Michael O’Neill.

Starting off her studies in art college, JD had the fortune of meeting founding Le Tigre member Sadie Benning, which forged her path into music as another means of artistic expression.

JD: I was in college for art and I met Sadie Benning, and then she asked me to go on tour with Le Tigre for their first tour. And then she left the project and suddenly I was in the band. That’s how all of a sudden I was in music. I always kind of considered myself primarily an artist even though I’m in the music industry. Like I conceptualize the music more as an artform than just being an album that you sell in music.

As part of the visually artistic aspect of MEN, JD is also spending her efforts designing the band’s visuals and costumes. A sore point at the moment as Michael has just lost his costume in The Netherlands… of all places…

MICHAEL: We’re laughing because I left my costume in The Netherlands and so JD had to make a whole new one today. So, there’s paint drying in the other room actually…

JD: It’s just, it had to happen in Holland.


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The band MEN started with Le Tigre alum Johanna Fateman joining JD in writing music. After Johanna got pregnant and opted out from touring with the band, JD gathered her other side project members, Michael and Ginger from Hirsute, and went for it with MEN. JD and Michael seem to be the last men (no pun intended) standing for the touring side of MEN as the other members no longer could be slaves to the traveling of the project. Tami Hart is currently on tour with the band in lieu of Ginger Brooks Takahashi.

The name MEN came from the days of the band that consisted of Johanna Fateman and JD Samson as co-writers.

JD: Originally it was because Johanna had... this philosophy of living that was like a kind of confidence boosting feminist thing, which was what would a man do in this situation. So it’s like a way for you to be like I’m not going to apologize for myself or feel insecure. I’m gonna be confident and strong and stick up for myself. So that’s how it started, and then I think since then it’s kind of become more of like an umbrella term to describe gender fluidity and also just kind of like men as beings, as humans, like men as in the greater term of humans.

If you’ve heard the band’s album Talk About Body, which is out now, you will likely notice the politically themed lyrics. Somehow this band manages to state their socio-political beliefs through their music without coming across as preachy. A rare feat for bands making such strong social statements.

JD: Well, I think partly it’s because we’re not preaching - we’re talking
to our friends and our people... I think a lot of it is not using the word I. I think that we often use the word we, and us and stuff, and I think that that makes it have a touch of like it’s just sentimental. Like realizations of feelings, and I don’t know… I think that helps.

MICHAEL: We didn’t even start with
a mission like we’re going to be political… it’s just sort of like, we kind of just ended up being political or something, you know. It’s just kind of like who we are and what we do everyday. You know, what we think about, not like a mission to conquer the world with our beliefs or anything.

JD: Yeah, like I don’t feel like we’re trying to change people’s minds. I feel like we’re trying to bring people together to
share our common belief or goal.

Asking if the band ever felt pressure to compromise their beliefs or sell out to please the masses, the conversation took a bit of a turn for the weird with MEN’s tour manager suggesting Butt Implants, which JD mistook for Button Pants (see 5:10 in the audio file to hear what I’m talking about).

As JD has been doing DIY music since the days of Le Tigre, she is an expert on how the music industry has changed over the years.

JD: I mean, really putting this record out was like a major shock to me because everything that I had known before was really very different. I mean, when Le Tigre’s records came out, even in our last record, the Internet was just in a really different place..... I think that’s something really interesting - that DIY musicians from ten years ago are actually the people who know what they’re doing now because they don’t have to learn…

And our usual question to terrify our interviewee subjects:

LLHG: If there’s one word that could sum up MEN, besides MEN obviously, what would that word be?

MICHAEL: Women.

JD: Do I answer separately? (long pause)God…. (long pause)… that’s my answer!

MICHAEL: Make it, like,
'GOD' and then cue the Like A Prayer video.

*May I suggest the word "Like"? Works on a few levels.... whilst transcribing, I noticed that JD and Michael do say the word 'like' a lot. I have edited a few 'likes' out for the sake of readability. Don't worry... they're all still there in the audio for all you like likers out there (myself included). ♥ ♡ ♥ ♡


If you can’t get enough of MEN, listen to the full interview below:



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